There Are Too Many Card Games In 2023
Going into 2023, it’s becoming very apparent that this is going to be the most over saturated the TCG market has ever been.
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I felt the same wya about being bullied for playing tcgs or being a nerd in general now it's cool to be a nerd lol
my hopium ass hoping that fire emblem cipher will come to english thanks to the surge
In many ways, this is just a response to 2022 having so many soft launches, as well as the reset of CFV actually starting to gain traction. 2023 seems like a year of buildup and hype throughout the TCG marketplace. What I see is a potential recession in the global marketplace and the card game atmosphere start to follow the recession. That said, may of these card games are following an untested formula of longevity, and even the big three have had their crises within the past two or three years. Pokemon lost their ability to keep up with demand on sealed product globally for an extended period of time, Yu-Gi-Oh had a one format crisis involving a certain fusion monster in Japan, and MTG had their Hasbro nonsense happen. That said, the TCG market for many of these card games became surprisingly affordable following the pandemic, but the collector's market made things unobtainable for many competitors. The card market is effectively working out to be a K-shaped recovery where the casual cards seem to stay low enough in value, but the high end stuff and even some competitive stuff at the base rare seems to be way more pricey than before. 2023 is shaping up to be very interesting for the TCG world.
Of all these games BSS is the only one that personally appeals to me. Being released in such a saturated market is honestly making me kinda worried but I know that game is solid, the people that are picking it up are very passionate and that bandai is pulling out all the stops advertising the game. Heck even a league streamer I actively watch was sponsored by BSS to promote the game, which was wild to me, but it does make me a little hopeful for the game 🙏plus we already have a tabletop sim mod made by yours truly and other members of the community 👀
1:33 I understood that reference
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Living in Germany there are no other tcgs to Play except Magic Yugioh and Pokemon. Everything Else has a so small Playerbase that it isnt worth Putting Money in or Aint supported by the Card shops
I think we're heading towards a TCG bubble pop again. However unlike the one of the mid 00s, this time we actually have a lot of great games from experienced companies and designers. The rub is that, this has always been a market that is far too competitive and xenophobic with each other to sustain too many games. LGS have space and schedules to consider for example. If you can only fit maybe 2 full tournaments every weekend, then that's only 2 games getting the local support. where do you fit the people who want to play 6+ different card games? Even if you spread them throughout the week, real life will get in the way negatively affecting the players who won't be able to go to their games' scheduled paly time due to personal circumstances. Where do you keep the stock for all these card games to sell?
The big three already take up a lot of LGS time and space as it is. Magic Fridays, Yugioh week days, pokemon saturdays and so on. Then add in the up and comers like Digimon, Vanguard, Weiss, DBS, Flesh and Blood. FOWTCG and FFTCG is still going, Logistically it's a mess. Add in Lorcana, BSS, Shadowverse, and OPTCG this year.
On the player's end, this is too much monetary commitment across the board. Card games at a locals level are never cheap to get into. Even in what we may consider cheap, the price adds up when you multiply them per game. $40-$50 decks add up when you want to play 5 different card games.
I think either the bubble pops and we see a lot of these games die worldwide, or they shift their profit model to a more consumer friendly model so they can coexist with eachother. TCGs are like MMOs in a lot of ways, one of which is that there's not much room for multiple big ones to exist. The end result is a lot of modern mmos are much more casual and easy to get into (and f2p) so that players can hop around more easily. Digital also helps a lot in that dept.
I really hope Vanguard could be more popular in my area. Bushiroad really need to do more marketings for the west. It's sad to see my friends playing Yu-gi-oh. I hate that game.
Well,im waiting for Build Divide EN version coming🤣🤣
Would be nice if you can tell us a bit about the popularity of Shadowverse in Japan as it stands right now and your general opinion about the game 🤓
Was listening to this while I was trying to sleep last night. When you said “I used to get bullied for playing card games…” I woke up instantly. LMAO
Wont lie that I more or less dropped everything for Vanguard when it 1st came out 12ish years ago. 2023 is looking interesting though. Wondering what Disney is going to do with Lorcana, and although I've never played the originals, may have to dip into finding out about Shadowverse or BS.
Also, Pokemon. May start playing that again after it rotates in a few months….
state all of the card games one by one please!!!
Literally got an ad for BSS when DF talked about the game lmao
Disney entering the TCG market is concerning… seeing as they ruin everything they touch…
Honestly, pretty safe to ignore anything from Bandai unless you like getting scalped or constantly dealing with lack of stock. Most of these games only exist in english in name for a large section of the US as distributors and stores don't view them as games to support but a thing to build hype around so they can jump up the price and dump it all.
One thing I like that you said in this video was that buishroad have to try harder not just for the community, but for the trading card game market as a whole
I don't think the TCG market can handle as many games as the OCG market. The infrastructure isn't there for these games unlike Japan. I think this is a trend, it caps out, TCG market crashes, a ton of games die that were healthy before the boom.
I think the games that make digital simulatiors or don't shut down fan projects are the one's that end up living. Not becaus the paper games will die but that digital ways to play are increasingly a tool TCG players need to truly lab decks. Games like digimon TCG really taking a big risk by stopping fans from doing work for free for them.
I mostly play Standard right now because Dear Days but V was probably my most played on CFA since before DD I didn't really get how S worked. I also think having multiple formats can both be a good thing and a bad thing since it's good for established players to take a break from a format they don't like and try another but it can also be complicated for newer players to understand the differences plus it's probably unlikely but it would really suck to be like "Standards awesome I get to use my DD deck irl" and then everyone at your local(assuming you even have one) plays V. Personally I've always been a huge nerd and just absorb information about everything but if you've got a life it's probably pretty hard to find the time for that plus there's money and time involved which just makes it complicated
Bandai and bushiroad have always been interesting to me, I was a vanguard player but last year moved to digimon just cuz I’m a huge fan, and it’s really interesting to see Bandai churn out all these card games like bushiroad does, but I do worry about if they’re just pushing these out to test the waters and then they’re gonna drop any that don’t do well in a couple years
And still coming. I have created the most awesome unique gameplay for a tcg now working on the cards and artwork isn't bad either. Hopefully gonna enlist on kickstarter by the end of the year.
I blame MetaZoo and Flesh and Blood. They proved that there's room for new upstarts. Newer manufacturing and streamlined art processing has also made the barrier of entry lower. The end result is we're getting an absurd boom of TCGs. If this is the like early 2000s boom, we'll see many of them die within 2 to 6 years.
Also, in regards to Disney, they have dipped their toes in collectibles constantly. It's not that surprising. Mobile Games' gotcha systems are in the same realm as a TCG booster pack – and Disney LOVES their mobile game revenue.
I for one am happy to be spoiled for choice. Last year I played Flesh and Blood, this year I'm playing One Piece. Good times.
I agree as well. There's so many different tcgs popping up here and there while the ones that were there before are also still going on. A good thing is that this will definitely grow the general tcg community! Also, I wonder if anyone's heard of a certain tcg called force of will?
I play 3 of them and gonna try to get into battle spirits saga
All I want is for WotC to bring Duel Masters back to the west. Not a Kaijudo reboot, Duel Masters itself.
I think if any of these games want to succeed, they have to break into mass consumer accessibility. By that, I mean they need to be nearly as accessible as Pokemon, Magic, and Yugioh are in the States. Otherwise they are going to be fighting too hard amongst the few people who have a true interest in competitve card games. Otherwise, I think the main motivator will be prize pools.
No forget duel masters win is back
Honestly I felt that hard this year when I starting vanguard I dropped digimon and mtg a little but honestly I think vanguard has been growing well in my area the only problem with vanguard IS THE PULL RATES other then that I think vanguard will grow pretty well this year and honestly I can see digimon dropping off just from how every set theirs new power creep
I wish we had actors/singers sponsoring TCGs
Imho a lot of them are going to die because of oversaturation, at least the english-language ones. Japan is basically another planet in one country regarding tcg. Now, WHO'S going to die? No idea. Except the Big 3, I feel like everyone could make it but at the same time nobody's safe. I hope Vanguard and Digimon don't get the axe eventually (now both feel pretty healthy, but, you know, force of will also used to be…).
I stick with just one card game , Yugioh.
For collecting cards , I collect Yugioh, Digimon , and pretty much any anime card game whatever .
Just for collecting and looking at in my hands .
Nice vid. Hey ya'll rememba Z/X?
I'm happy to see the tcg scene take off but the unfortunate truth is the bubble will pop and we the players will be left with a graveyard of dead card games. The games that survive will be the new tcg scene. Even the big 3 isn't safe.
flesh and blood is starting to break into japan and i would highly recomend trying it
Shadowverse is the best new card game out there!
But what is shadowverse “evolve” is it a retcon like duel links for new players?
DF: Vanguard is gonna have to fight a little harder. More marketing, more getting people into the game…
And the big one: Less Bushiroad shooting themselves in the foot. Repeatedly.
The Digimon TCG has been the new all-star for me, really impressed me as a YuGiOh player and I've become an avid player of the game
Do we think vanguard will die?
I have no hope for BSS because is a bandai game. Bandai tends to ruin there games with copius amounts of powercreep.
Man. I started playing Duel Masters in Europe back in 2005. The game wasn't particularly successful over here, but I loved it and hosted a few tournaments here and there. I then went on to host the community for Kaijudo TCG when that "reboot" of Duel Masters was released, but since it was NA only, it wasn't particularly accessible. The fact that Kaijudo died saddens me a lot, especially knowing Duel Masters is somehow still thriving in Japan. Still think it's the best game out there, but I do play other games as well and love playing new stuff.
I am really excited about the market becoming this big, because I will get to experience many variations of my favorite type of games. If this keeps up, then maybe there will be hope for average sized games such as Kaijudo to actually thrive one day (one can only hope).
Great content, as always. Keep up the good work!
This reminds me of the late 90s early 2000 era when everyone was trying to cash in on card games due to the success of the Pokémon TCG. It was a bubble and the high-quality games survived.
I feel like we're in a new bubble, but this time we have a lot of high-quality games to play with their uniqueness and styles. As you mentioned, these companies are fighting for our money and free time, but have to take careful steps to not stop out of favor with their audience. The bubble will pop eventually.
Well competition is good sometimes but saving money on the side to invest in multiple games or pick a game or two also being a judge for multiple games will be painful trying to keep up with everything
Didn’t monkey fight tcg make a video like this a month ago?
too many card games, too much money…
Twitch streamers are playing Master Duel. Kinda brought back the ygo hype to new players.
I just hope there will be a local shadowverse evolve or battle spirits saga scene near me because I plan to go in on Battle spirits
Seeing a TCG boom on card games makes me realize what bushiroad has with Dear days is legit genius, they pump out DLC sets that you can actually farm to get all the cards
If your casual all you need is like $20 for each new DLC booster set release where you can get Everything vs Spending $64 for a booster box where you may or may not get what you want
I feel like BSS has a good chance to flop in the US. There was initial interest in the game but once they spoiled the entire first set it seemed like all interest in the game dried up. Nothing in the first set in english is exciting, its very safe and basic which I feel like is going to hurt the game immensely. Non of my local shops are ordering the game that I am aware of.